Clinton's new message: I've got the white vote

A staff reporter adds exciting commentary,

"...telling a reporter that she has the white vote and Senator Barack Obama does not."

This is an absolute truth. This truth is evidenced by voting statistics. This truth can be independently verified by anyone through simply looking at voter demographics generated to date.

Those who discount this are fooling themselves and those who claim this is a racist issue are making fools of themselves.

Numbers do not lie but people do lie.

I commend Clinton for being candid and truthful, at risk of falsely being labeled a racist.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

If Hillary had the "White Vote", why did she not win the "White States" like Kansas? How about Idaho?

Hillary Clinton is so divisive, WHITE PEOPLE in lots of White states preferred Obama over her. Explain how this happened?

And how's the Old Negro Guard feeling this? Charles Rangel, Maxine Waters, Shiela Jackson Lee, all the Old Guard Negroes to jump when Miss Hillary says jump, how do they feel about their candidates words?

Oh wise black Hillary Supporters:

Now the curtain has fallen.

She has decided to cast her lot with the support of
hard-working, uneducated, whites ( read: bigots)
over everyone else. Because, as you know, only white
americans are "hard-working".

Purl Hurl

Cultural Appropriator
Choctaw Nation

Hilary poor baby ,has lost it and so has her campaign that right her campaign staff are being paid most that money she loan to her campaign so they are all happy.

I think there should be a Hilary -McCain ticket. The real issue is she knows that the republicans aren’t gona win and the winner will be the democratic nominee, so she feels like her husband in the past is not in election it is an impeachment. I am saddened because I do not like witnessing her political self destruction. As they say blinded by the...

God Bless Pure Gurl, how do you sleep at night God help you. You remind me of the day I was watching the Heraldo show and the Ku Klux Klan member on the panel called Roy Ennis an Uncle Tom and the fighting started. That was a good show they should re- air it.

I think she is lobbying to be Vice President

Hillary can't win the Black vote. She is not winning the black vote.

Guess what?

Dems cant win without the white vote. And Dems cant win without the black vote.

So what is she saying? Her coalition is "better"?

I see some strange fruit hanging from the Clinton tree..... But maybe its just me...

*Drops Mic*

I guess maybe I'm seeing this from a different angle. According to her comment, "Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me." So, is she saying that the african american community does not count AND we are not hardworking Americans. Please tell me I'm being too deep!

Well I guess she tells those black supporters they are not wanted nor needed, wow, in 2008, someone plays the race card like this, amazing and it shwos how she was never the right perosn for the job. Someone needs to break the news to her, her husband and her surrogates, running for the highst office in the land means trying to get the vote of all people, not just the "white" one, she is too much. Well, not really, some of the most vile racist posts I've seen here and on other sites are from those who back that "woman."

And, Rasmes, keep it real with that troll with no life but this site and that nonsense it spews.

Well I guess she tells those black supporters they are not wanted nor needed, wow, in 2008, someone plays the race card like this, amazing and it shwos how she was never the right perosn for the job. Someone needs to break the news to her, her husband and her surrogates, running for the highst office in the land means trying to get the vote of all people, not just the "white" one, she is too much. Well, not really, some of the most vile racist posts I've seen here and on other sites are from those who back that "woman."

And, Rasmes, keep it real with that troll with no life but this site and that nonsense it spews.

Mr. Famu comments,

"Dems cant win without the white vote. And Dems cant win without the black vote."

This is quite the rock and the hard spot, yes?

Obama cannot win the November election without support of White America. Clinton cannot win the November election without support of Black America.

This is why McCain will win come November. This should teach Americans a very harsh lesson; McCain is simply four more years of Bush.

Black America and White America going at each others throats, claiming each other to be racists, all this discontent and hatred, this will have McCain become president.

Rather unfortunate blacks and whites cannot set aside their unhealthy egos, cannot set aside their bigotry. Rather unfortunate neither blacks nor whites are smart enough to realize working together will benefit both Black America and White America.

Nope, Black Pride rules! White Pride rules! We are cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

McCain will continue to destroy our country, McCain will continue Bush policies, and this will be the fault of Americans who cannot set aside their weak egos and their rancid bigotry.

Yep, another very hard lesson is in the makings for America, all because of false pride.

Sure glad I am red; I have a bit of common sense and none can blame me for what is coming down the pike.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

Purl hurl, you are not "red" as "red" isn't a color of skin, and, you have said you are half white since you trotted up in here and that must be the side that hates Obama and all blacks as evidenced by your nonstop racial slurs, and at last check, native Americans are not half white. And, its just like you to trot in and spew racism, if John McCain wins, which I think he will, it will be due to Hillary Clinton and her supporters and their racist attitudes, every last one of whom seems to be a card carrying bigot.

So, at this point, let McCain in and the same ones who are whinnying about it not being that woman, even though she claims she can get the Bubba,Bud drinking, Confederate flag, Naascar voters, which shows she really isn't the one, no way in the world will she ever win any state in the Deep South.

And, 'false pride?' From someone who has a phony tag line with a indian tribe as a moniker, why not just be an American, oh yeah, that's too easy put down others with racial slurs for not supporting the HRC woamn and then use fake 'indian' pride as if that means anything online when you are as bad as John Wayne killing indians in his movies .

To Purl Gurl, I dont think its the voting statistics that make her comments suspect. Its the hard working white Americans part that bothers me. Just under the glossy veneer of the Clintons has been this scummy film of white privilege and entitlement. Its a mainstay of the Democratic party and I beleive that we as black folk have ignored the 500 lb elephant in the middle of the room for many years. If we never get to inagurate a President Obama this campaign has done one thing and that is bring race from the back room closet to smack dab in the middle of the dining room table. I hope that white people will finally be able to bear witness to some of the things that are wrong in this country. Voting or not voting for a candidate based soley on the color of their skin is just wrong. All the great Clintons can hold on to are uneducated white working class folks. Problem is the world is changing. There is a new thought in this world around race, sexism, homophobia, and hate. And Obama most reflects that new thought and Hilary, as evidenced by her ignorant misstatement, reflects the good old boy "old" thought!

Just as I have softened my views a little on Miss Thing, she turns around stick her foot right in her mouth. If you are lobbying for VP, you have an ignorant way of showing it.

Robert, so true, all she can claim as her support are poor, uneducated whites? No shame with that as they need to be heard as well, but, she is too little, too late and has nothing to offer. At least Bill had something and some charm to go along with it, well, the charm bought disgrace to the WH, but, that's another issue. Its just pitiful that a woman as smart and talented as she was, is now having to stoop to this sort of spiel for votes, just pitiful and shows her total desperation and lack of concern for the party, and, it appears she really, really wants McCain to win.

And, what's up with her in the back of that pick-up in her $1000 pantsuit?? if, she is going to be one of the white gals at the local beauty shop, she needs to change attire, and, grab a Rebel Flag, maybe that will help her as well.

And, black people wake up, the DNC is not your friend, this whole exercise in democracy has shown that. Demand that the GOP listen to the issue that affects your community. This being the only voting black that 95%of the time goes with one party, well, maybe the wake up call from Team Clinton will change that because with "friends" like them who can masterfully play the race card, who really needs an enemey???

Robert adds sensible and friendly comments,

"...I dont think its the voting statistics that make her comments suspect. Its the hard working white Americans part that bothers me."

Fair enough. I understand your point of view. My choice is to deal with numbers and reality. Clinton does command the white vote. The majority in our country are white middle class people. To comment Clinton commands "hard working" white middle class people is true. This needs to be viewed without racial overtones, which is my view. Statistics do prove her statements to be true. Clinton is not making racist based statements on this, she is simply stating the obvious and this causes some discomfort.

This discomfort is illogical. People should be thinking, "Well, yeah, what she says is true."

Obama commands the black vote, looks to be 95 percent, give or take, of the black votes based on recent voting. Would Obama be labeled a racist for proclaiming, "The black vote is mine"?

Why is Clinton chastised for announcing the white vote is hers while Obama is not chastised for announcing the black vote is his? This is true hypocrisy, yes? Some might suggest this is racism on the part of Black America. I prefer to simply label this hypocrisy.

Robert continues his friendly commentary,

"I hope that white people will finally be able to bear witness to some of the things that are wrong in this country."

But not black people? Are you suggesting black people are without fault, are without bigotry?

I have some serious issues with this notion. I do not see white racism. I see white racism, black racism, red racism, yellow racism, I see all colors of racism. I see all cultures exhibiting some racism, but not so much this concerns me, least not greatly.

My personal opinion is the greatest problem America faces in terms of racism is an inability to let go the past, and I am not writing strictly of blacks. A lot of older folks, regardless of color, are not willing to let go of the past, are not willing to embrace change.

Obama represents significant change which has already taken place. If America remains a white racist nation, Obama would not be running for president, would not be the primary winner. In addition, if ours remains a racist nation, we would not have minorities scattered all up and down our ladder of social status.

Robert, I will ask a vow of you. Should Obama become our president, should he become the most powerful man of our world, would you personally vow to publically announce, "Racism is dead" here at The Daily Voice?

People need to get over themselves; racism is dead.

You know, if we older folks keep clinging to the past, we will teach our children to do the same. People need to step into our modern world and leave the past to pages of old dusty history books. Should we not break from the past, should we not accept racism is dead, we will teach our children to continue racism and to be racists.

Teaching our children to be racists, is abhorrently wrong.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

Here is a quote from Hillary's interview with USA TODAY. It shows that she is not a uniter like Obama.
Hillary is a divisive witch and will be the downfall of the Democratic Party if we allow it.

She said: “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in the interview, citing an article by The Associated Press.

It “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

“There’s a pattern emerging here,” she said.

Your are right Sugar Man!
This is divide-and-conquer politics at its WORST!
Not surprising about Hillary Clinton. She is a selfish b----. She has stooped to the lowest level and that's why she should not be president - she will do ANYTHING.!!!

May 8, 2008

Senator Barack Obama

Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

Dear Senator Obama,

It has been an honor competing with you for the Presidential nomination for our party in this historic race.

However, you apparently did not receive the memo I sent to all candidates at the beginning of this race so please allow me to reiterate what was contained in it.

I'M OWED THE PRESIDENCY! IT'S MINE! MINE-MINE-MINE! STOP TRYING TO STEAL WHAT RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO ME!

Being an altruistic person, I strongly urge you to use your magic powers to make the DNC do what I want and count MI and FL votes so they are not disenfranchised and can reduce the amount of popular votes you lead me by.

I ask this selflessly, as someone who only wants the best for the people of MI and FL who want me to be the nominee.

If you respect democracy, I call upon you to join me in withdrawing it from Blacks, gays, Red states, caucus states, liberal activists, college graduates and the majority of Democratic voters nationally so it may be poured exclusively into MI and FL.

I hope you will take this opportunity to display your patriotism...which I hear others have questioned with good reason though I'm not saying you are unpatriotic and have to prove it. Nope, not at all. Not even a little bit. Really. To the best of my knowledge.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Ms Purl Gurl,or Purl Hurl

The bottom line is this. Hillary has really went low on this on. The semantics her campaign has always played in the background has now made it to the frontline. I just heard it on MSNBC her phone interview with USA Today. And I am appalled she would say that. That means she has NO REPSPECT for her minorities supporters.

Saying that she will do anything to tear this party apart to get this nomination. And since she has said that she has definitely killed her chances altogether with African Americans and it's HER OWN FAULT!

But us that support Obama will keep on and keeping on and maybe you and Tonto Nation can call The Lone Ranger and maybe he can ride you all into the sunset and help her win this nomination!

IT'S NOT HAPPENING

Ms CheeseDoodles from The Fruity Pebbles Farm

OBAMA 08'

People lie, but numbers never do. If the math is right, she has lost her bid and should let it go. Let it go and unite the party. That would be the right thing to do, but if this (statement is true about the "white vote"),then she has become a very different animal- not a pretty one, not one that shows strength and the dignity she has shown in the past. The comment, if true, says she will do anything to get this win, and that is such a turn-off, a dangerous turn-off, the tatics only a cornered animal deplays when he is in danger. This level of display should be reserved to guide against a threat. And the threat of losing is no longer a threat; it is a reality and has already occurred. She should accept this, step aside and let a man, a BLACK MAN, a strong, presidential-ready-to-win-the-entire-process, diplomatic, candidate, take his rightful place. That would be the right thing to do. The dignified and gracious and smart thing to do. Will she be beauty, or be the beast about this? The next coming weeks will tell the tale. Either way, it's OBAMA TIME! President Obama, sounds great huh! Get used to saying it!

I've got the white vote, and I'm not afraid to use it.

The final gunfight of Hill/billy.

she has a segment of the white vote. and he has a segment of the white vote. so her comment was off-base. he would never say he has the black vote, that's not what barack is about. at this point he can't run her for VP. she'd want his job so bad, he'd have to hire food tasters. mind you, many clinton friends died suspicious deaths! how U doin'?!

I feel for Miss Hilary and Purl Gurl because they are prime examples of what self Hate and racism does to ones Psyche. If Purl Gurl was a real person of mixed Native ancestry (most African Americans got some Native Blood which we owned proudly even when we did not own our WASP blood, because it was the result of rape and as old folks used say was forced and not honest) running around the reservation she would deem herself a Native Person not an Indian.

Purl Gurl might you really be McAuliffe or the Mark guy Hillary is paying that 13 million, in virtual drag.

Anybody but Hill/Billy 08 you are on the Money!

I have been disappointed by the Clinton campaign thus far. I was prepared, at the start of this race, to like both candidates, and make the hard choice of voting for one. But as the race has continued, Senator Clinton has made my choice quite simple. She has used tactics of fear that make a Barack Obama absolutely necessary--to come and change the face of politics, or at least open the door for such improvement.

Filmmaker Michael Moore was on Larry King Live not too long ago, publicly endorsing Senator Obama. One thing he said made perfect sense to me, as he, too, was disappointed in Clinton politics. He talked about the sad but true fact that, while Sen. Obama has never attempted to make us "afraid" to vote for Hillary because she is a woman, she, and her machine, have worked very hard to make us "afraid" to vote for a Black man with "Hussein" for a middle name. All of the Wright, Farrakhan and Hamas comments are simply out of order, and have been used to make us fear a man who has shown nothing but integrity, even when his opponent has not.

This divisive comment about the "hard-working, white American" voting block is no different. I am saddened that such an intelligent woman could stoop so low as to divide and conquer that which she could have one with grace and intellect.

Its actually quite sad that she has had to stoop to race baiting for votes, but, with the Clinton's slash and burn politics are the only thing they have to offer. I wonder if in her hour of total desperation if she realizes she has lost all credibility and that such vile words will affect her down the road?? Just like her husband, no moral character or fiber at all in this race that she feels is her right to have won without any debate or the voters choice, other than poor whites who won't vote for her either in November like they haven't for any Democrat in the past two elections.

Purl Gurl,

Racism is not dead! An election of a Barck Obama to the presidency may very well takes us further down the road of honestly discussing Americas dirty little secret but we will be a long way from the eradication of racism.

I think you are missing a fundemental element of this discussion.

In announcing that she had the "HARD WORKING UNEDUCATED WHITE MANS" vote she was not only asserting a faulty premise but she was suggesting a faulty conclusion. That Obama could not win the white house without this so called blue collar vote is an arguable point.

He has been successful in recieving support from people of all walks of life. White folk, black folk, gay folk, straight folk, young folk, and old folk. If it were not true he absolutely would not be leading in the popular vote.

What Hilary was doing was sending a coded message out to the white folk everywhere.....dont vote for Obama, vote for me...........for whiteness sake save me from the embarrasment of losing what is rightfully mine to a colored man............thats what her plan was. Last ditch effort circle up the good old boys.

I am not suggesting that black people are without fault or are without bigotry. I am suggesting that as a race of people we have more often than not been the victims of racism, oppression, and bigotry. Far less often have we been the perpetrators, if for no other reason than unless you are a member of the ruling class, race, or element of society it is very hard to deny others access to things you dont control.

We should never forget our past lest we will be doomed to repeat it.

This generation, though reportedly far more color blind than us 40-somethings, still needs to understand the road we had to travel so that a Barack Obama could run for the White House.

We should not teach racism but we should teach that it has and still does exist so we should take every opportunity to learn from the past by keep one eye on where we have been and one eye on the future!!

Robert displays he is an intelligent man,

"This generation, though reportedly far more color blind than us 40-somethings, still needs to understand the road we had to travel so that a Barack Obama could run for the White House.

We should not teach racism but we should teach that it has and still does exist so we should take every opportunity to learn from the past by keep one eye on where we have been and one eye on the future!"

Yes, I agree, Robert. Old folks like us are part of a small problem and a large part of a solution.

I related a childhood story for Mrs. Mavis Gibson of my experience in a café in Oklahoma which contained the traditional split, COLORED versus WHITE. This was back in the Sixties. Like many others, I can tell a lot of stories of the "Old Days" of America. We suffered many harsh lessons about racism.

Of course, none of us old folks suffered slavery, lynchings, slaughtering of Indians and such. We do know, though, those were horrific times.

Our children today can be taught of those events and our children will appreciate our teachings. However, our children cannot quite feel the pain like we did. This is good. I would not want our children to blindly become enraged, to blindly become hateful. This is our small problem.

This small problem we older folks have is well exhibited here at The Daily Voice. There are some folks around here who are clearly hateful and clearly racist. Those are folks who cannot let go the past, who still blame everyone for what happened so long ago. They are stuck in playing "the victim" role.

Letting go of the past is not the same as forgetting the past. We must let go our anger just as we must not forget. We are the role models for our children. We must not teach our children to be angry nor hateful.

Our large part of the solution is older folks like us have wised up, we are more mellow and we enjoy a lot of wisdom gained from the years. We need to teach our children the days of racism are gone, and the days of peace are coming to be.

Yes, Robert, there are pockets of hard racism. This I well know. The Ku Klux Klan is still around, now there are neo-nazis and other groups like this. However, they number so little, are so insignificant, almost none give them any attention.

I cannot remember the last time I read of a KKK march. I am sure they still march and burn crosses, but they no longer make the news.

Our best option is to continue to ignore those people. In my mind, racism is dead.

You comment, "...one eye on the future." Much to my graying hair annoyance, our time has come to relinquish control of our future to our children. They are in charge now. This is why Obama has a shot at the presidency; young people placed him there. We have to let go the past, and we have to let go the future. We are retired now.

To close, Robert, I must disagree with your thoughts about Clinton playing the race card. I truly view her as stating the obvious, just as I truly view "old folks" are labeling her racist. I do not see this, I only see those old folks yelling because they cannot let go the past.

Racism is dead. Being victims is dead. Some people need to work on accepting this and need to work on moving on, for the sake of our children.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

Wow, racism is dead pearl girl???? Care to explain how you missed the memo as your diatribes say otherwise.

Purl Gurl:
All you have to do is go to Klanwatch.org and your blinded eyes will be opened. What planet are you living on?
There was a KKK rally last month in Marshall, Texas and the participants had the nerve to send a group picture (white hoods and all) to the local newspaper. Imagine opening you morning newspaper and seeing a group photo of the KKK on the front page.
For all of your articulate writing, you have got to be the most ignorant person I've ever encountered.
Racism is not dead.
Just ask the black employees of KCS in Louisiana who filed a lawsuit recently, claiming their boss used the N word on a daily basis and actively recruited for his local klan chapter at work.
Here's some advice Purly Mae. Before you open your mouth (or type a stupid rant), do your homework.
Hillary inserted race into the campaing the other day by implying she had the support of the uneducated whites. She is not a uniter, but a divider. Now she is going ballistic because the delegates in Michigan and Florida won't be seated according to her liking.
We don't need emotionalism and vindictiveness in the White House. We need real leadership. That's what Barak Obama offers.
No one is picking up what you're putting down, so get to stepping and take that mess somewhere else.

Deena Rockefeller comments,

"All you have to do is go to Klanwatch...."

...or attend a Louis Farrakhan rally?

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

That was a lame reply... even for you Purl Gurl.
Just admit you are out of touch and keep it moving.
I heard someone say empty cans make a lot of noise.

Is there any essential difference between the Ku Klux Klan and the Louis Farrakhan Nation of Islam?

Farrakhan is known as the "Black Hitler", yes?

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

Gee, I guess we have found out who Purl Gurl is and it makes sense. Purl = Pearl. I live in Arkansas and I am married to an African-American woman of Choctaw decent.
There is only one group of people that throw Hitler out there for mass consumption and can I ask Ms. Pearl when was the last time you visited Israel?
I will from this point on skip your post because you are obviously in the business of deception.
I would recommend you take your 2% vote over to McPander where it belongs with Mr. Leiberman.

Tsk, tsk, poor Hillary and her delusional supporters. If, they were only educated enough to know history! It bears remembering that no Democratic presidential candidate has won a majority of the white vote since President Lyndon Johnson in 1964. And neither will Obama – or Clinton. But, the yin their haste to inject racial hatred and intolerance for a vote don't care.

And, its amazing that someone can sit in front of a computer and type that racism is dead, where is that mythical place???

I am fascinated some of Black America engage in such illogical denial of known fact.

Back in the Sixties, Farrakhan threatened Malcolm X with death for Malcolm exposing sexual abuse of teenage girls by Nation of Islam leaders. A few weeks later, Farrakhan made good on his threat and had Malcolm X gunned down.

In the Eighties, a Washington Post reporter named Milton Coleman broke news Jesse Jackson, in public, labeled Jewish people as Hymies and labeled New York as Hymietown. Farrakhan threatened Coleman with death which was taken seriously because of Farrakhan murdering Malcolm X years earlier.

Subsequent, Farrakhan labeled whites and Jews with other abhorrent racial slurs, white devils, bloodsuckers, labeled the Jewish religion as a gutter religion. Farrakhan added Adolf Hitler was a great man and Hitler had the right idea on dealing with Jewish people.

This earned Farrakhan the title, "Black Hitler."

In the late Nineties, Farrakhan announced a decree of death upon America and said America must die. Farrakhan continued, over time, urging blacks to pick up guns then kill white people and the Jewish.

Farrakhan formed an allegiance with a known terrorist and leader of Libya, Muammar Qadhafi,
who gave millions of dollars to Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. Farrakhan formed allegiances with Iran, Iraq, Syria and Sudan. Farrakhan announced to the world, "God will destroy America by the hands of the Muslims...."

Farrakhan celebrated the 9-11 terrorist attack upon America.

These historical events are simply a small sampling of the activities of Farrakhan. These events and other events are readily verifiable by anyone. These and other events are known facts.

By-the-by, this priest, Pfleger, discussed in another news article here at The Daily Voice, Pfleger is a strong supporter of Farrakhan.

Quite illogical for some of Black America to deny these historical facts. There are those who would label this denial as "lying."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/NOI.html

I will ask again, "Is there any essential difference between the Ku Klux Klan and the Louis Farrakhan Nation of Islam?"

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

I say we all ignore Purl Gurl from now on.
She doesn't know she is on the wrong website.
Her jibberish is not accurate and not worth reading.

I hear ya Deena, she is a troll of the highest caliber, and, her racial slurs make anything she posts, and, Lord knows she seems to have more than enough free time to post those LONG, boring posts, totally moot. And, has she ever said why she is so obsessed with this site??? And, thinks she is the only one who can find a silly site to back her racist point of view, child please we all can find anything to back what we want online, too bad, she and the res can't ever stay on the topic at hand, but, that's the life of a a troll. Wronged by a black man along the way, LOL, that seems to be the typical Clinton female supporter! Or in that last way too loooooooooong tirade, doing a McCain, starying from the topic, typical of those who can't debate.

Hey Terrell!

She is definitely played out. LOL
Actually, I feel sorry for her. Poor Thing

@ Purl

Yes there is a very fundamental difference between Farrakhan and the KKK. The Nation of Islam actually transforms people who need it into spiritual beings and they become better and productive citizens - I have witnessed this for myself, so I am quite sure. His brand of religion may not work for all [blacks] but for some it is a definite improvement from where they begin their spiritual journey. Also, I haven't heard of Farrakhan advocating mass murder or extinction of an entire race of people, simply based on their race, but he does speak out against injustice and inequality,
socially and spiritually.

From what I have read Farrakhan makes a distinction between what he sees as Zionism and Judaism. That's not a hatred for people of the jewish religious faith. But god forbid, if you do think it - keep it to yourself if you value your status in America.

If a man is to be known by his fruit - then Farrakhan is no KKK in reverse. The members of his organization are pillars in their communities and are not violtent as I have ever heard of. They protect and add true character to their neighborhoods and environments, as far as I know. I believe they would help a white person on the street as they would anyone else, have seen them do it. Again, to disagree with doesn't equal hate for the opposing party, just disagreement.

Do I agree with his philosophies and religious perspectives and ideals? NO! But I would not condemn him as an unworthy, anti-American person or hateful racist just because I disagree with his beliefs. Yes his mouth gets the best of him, when he is identifying injustice, self-righteously.

Thank God and Allah, too that in America we have the RIGHT to believe what we so choose. And we should have the right to not be labled as haters of our country if we don't embrace every policy and ideology that is widely shared or believed to be true.

However, there is no substitute for good manners and thoughtful speach, hence the greater problem with men like Farrakhan and Wright.

This is a delusional stance that white America takes that anyone who has the courage to speak out directly against injustice, is somehow racist, un-American and hates their country. Farrakhan doesn't even live in an all black neighborhood; he's probably just not willing to quietly tolerate anyone who attempts to create systemic injustice against him and his people.

Why is it a requirement that black folk, smile and accept any policy or practice, and if they don't they are immediately labled as Black Nationalist, whinners and haters of America, as if to say - "be glad we let you people stay here, and deal with it, because it's our country and you are simply a guest on borrowed time."

Unless you believe that, it's illogical to conclude that criticism regarding injustice and inequality is equal to anti-Americanism.

There is a great divide between justice and just us.

Also, Clinton's truthfulness was a statistical fact but laced with racist undertones - "hard-working, white Americans" are white folks the only hard workers in America - if blacks didn't work, there would be no America as we know it. But you sound as though you buy into stereotypes and probably believe that all blacks live off of 'your tax dollars.' The statistical fact is most blacks are working middle class and have been so for many generations.

I personally know more black people who are retired or retiring soon with 25, 30 years on a job, I know very few who don't fit this profile.

It's a media driven myth that the majority are welfare recipients - probably perpetuated by the unfit KKK.

Vanitea, I enjoyed reading your article. I do understand your point of view presented and do understand you are underscoring famous lunatics do not necessarily represent the thinking and beliefs of those who are "followers" of a famous lunatic.

You also hint we can disagree but should do so with respect. I support this point of view of yours. Showing respect in disagreement is very important and is civil.

I must disagree with you, with respect. My extensive research into Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam teaches me this is a fringe racist cult, not a bonafide religion. My personal opinion is there is no essential difference between the Ku Klux Klan and the Nation of Islam, qualifying "essential" as basic beliefs rather than real world actions, such as burning crosses.

However, in respect, I will acknowledge followers of the Nation of Islam may or may not agree with the basic doctrines set by Farrakhan. I am being careful to not paint the Nation of Islam with a broad brush.

There is comedy to found in the Nation of Islam and I do enjoy poking fun at we humans; we are quite the crazy and comical lot.

Farrakhan is quite comical with his claim he was taken aboard a spaceship orbiting Earth whereupon he met, then dead, Elijah Muhammed, who instructed Farrakhan in the ways of the Nation of Islam. Part of Farrakhan's teachings by dead Elijah, aboard a flying saucer, is black scientists created white people about six-thousand years back. Inadvertently, those black scientists, thousands of years back, created "white devils" instead of white people. Realizing their mistake, those black scientists attempted to blow up our Earth but failed. However, this attempt to blow up our Earth led to the creation of our moon which graces our night skies with much beauty and much romance.

Much in keeping with this Nation of Islam founding philosophy, the widow of Elijah informs us flying saucers destroyed the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

I am unclear on how the Jewish fit into all this. I think this might be related to money rather than related to religion. Money is the root of all evil, yes?

Maintaining my firm but fair attitude, continuing to enjoy my poking fun at all peoples, this flying saucer thing is as comical as Adam being made from mud, Eve being made from a rib from Adam, loading animals two-by-two into a large Ark, parting of seas, turning rivers into blood and as comical as Mary being a virgin.

No way is Mary a virgin. Her and Joseph enjoyed doing the naughty, like all of us, created a son who went on to become a rather famous and a good man, although his story is a tad bit hyped up by imaginative writers of history.

My red peoples beliefs, now this is a different story. Ours are real! No flying saucers in our beginnings, no virgin mothers in our beginnings, just a variety of animals and life forms with omnipotent powers who created my red peoples and who guide us. Ours is a belief all peoples, all animals, all things living or not, are sacred and to be both respected and protected. We are the protective keepers of Mother Nature and of Mother Earth. However, we are not without fault.

My personal opinion, based on research and studies, is the Ku Klux Klan and the Nation of Islam have no essential difference, just as there is no essential difference between the Ku Klux Klan and Islam, Catholicism, Protestants, Baptists, Seventh Day, Mormons and Christians in general. I view all organized religions as fringe racist cults bent on destruction of humankind and bent on destruction of our Mother Earth, in the name of God, or in the name of whatever name those lunatics give to God.

Buddhists and American Indians, now we are the exceptions! No less crazy, though.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation